Talk:Leisure (album)

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Genres

Pinging Indopug, Michig, Giusex27sc, Smalljim, JordanPowers95, Myxomatosis57 and WesleyDodds; editors who have been active this year and who have edited this album's genre parameter in the past.

This article has listed a number of genres, with editors going back and forth to remove or defend certain ones. Here are the genres the article has historically displayed, in chron order:

Britpop[1]
Indie/Alternative rock[2]
Indie music/Alternative rock[3]
Indie rock/Alternative rock[4]
Alternative rock/Indie rock[5]
Alternative rock/indie rock/Shoegaze[6]
Alternative rock/Indie rock[7]
Alternative rock[8]
Alternative rock/Shoegazing[9]
Shoegazing[10]
Shoegazing/Proto-Britpop[11]
Alternative rock/Shoegazing[12]
Alternative rock[13]
Alternative rock/Shoegazing[14]
Alternative rock/Shoegazing/Madchester[15]
Alternative rock/Shoegazing/Madchester/Dream rock[16]
Alternative rock/Shoegazing/Madchester/Dream pop[17]
Alternative rock[18]
Alternative rock/Baggy/Shoegaze/Madchester[19]
Alternative rock[20]
Alternative rock/Madchester/Shoegazing[21]
Alternative rock[22]
Alternative rock/Madchester/Shoegazing[23]
Alternative rock[24]
Indie rock[25]
Indie rock/neo-psychedelia/shoegaze[26]
Indie rock[27]
Britpop[28]
Alternative rock/Shoegazing/Baggy/Madchester[29]
Alternative rock[30]
Indie rock[31]
Indie rock/Madchester/Shoegazing/neo-psychedelia[32]
Indie rock[33]
Alternative rock/Madchester[34]
Indie rock/Madchester[35]
Indie rock/Madchester/Baggy[36]
Indie rock/alternative rock/Madchester/Baggy[37]
Indie rock/Madchester/Baggy[38]
Alternative rock/Madchester/Baggy[39]
Alternative rock/Shoegazing/Baggy[40]
Alternative rock/Madchester/Baggy[41]
Alternative rock/Shoegazing/Baggy[42]
Pop music[43]
Madchester[44]
Pop music[45]
Indie dance/Madchester/Baggy[46]
Madchester/Baggy[47]
Pop music[48]
Alternative rock/Shoegazing/Baggy[49]
Pop music[50]
Alternative rock/Madchester/Baggy[51]
Alternative rock/Shoegazing/Baggy[52]
Alternative rock/Madchester/Baggy[53]

The shoegazing and baggy bits have most recently been supported by a blog reference: http://www.adriandenning.co.uk/blur.html. I don't think a blog is suitably reliable for establishing the genre.

What we need to do is assemble the best sources and tell the reader a summary of their views. Regarding the genre parameter of the album infobox, I do not think it is appropriate to dump the individual song genres all together and call that the album's genre. I think the WP:V bar is higher than that: what we need are reviews discussing the album itself, saying what its genre is. Binksternet (talk) 17:47, 14 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Anything listed in this field should reflect the genre of the album as a whole, but what we get in many articles is a list of all of the genres that different editors think apply to individual tracks or even aspects of individual tracks, whether or not they are supported by reliable sources. We should keep it general, and yes, we should go by what the majority of *good* sources say, not blogs. We should also limit it to genuine genres, and Madchester and 'Indie music' are not genres. Different sources mention different genres as influences on diferent songs but I don't think we should go into more detail than just Rock or Pop to describe the album - anything below that doesn't apply to the album as a whole. If there are good sources discussing individual tracks that level of detail should only be covered in the prose. It was basically a commercial major label pop/rock album cashing in on various styles that were popular at the time. --Michig (talk) 18:27, 14 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I've checked the reviews and some additional articles; some of them refer to the individual tracks rather than the whole album itself, categorizing songs as baggy, Madchester or shoegaze. ([54], [55], [56]). Nevertheless, some sources state that the album came during the height of the baggy movement (and I suppose NME makes a rather clearer statement on this). Allmusic review for the next Blur album, Modern Life is Rubbish also states that the album has baggy and shoegazing influences, while The New Rolling Stone Guide states that the album is caught up between "quasi psychedelia of shoegazing acts and Madchester bands. Jim Keoghan of The Quietus wrote that on the album "takes the baggy and shoegaze influences and producing something greater than the sum of its parts." These genres are also mentioned on the Consequence of Sound and The A.V. Club articles (the latter one also describes the album as "psychedelic-tinged").

To sum up, I believe the most relevant genres to categorize the album would be baggy and shoegazing. Myxomatosis57 (talk) 21:09, 14 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

To reply to the ping: I haven't done any research, but I do agree that we should categorise any album solely on reliable sources that assign genres to the album as a whole. —SMALL JIM 20:00, 17 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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