Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of religious leaders in 1741

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The result of the debate was keep. PoccilScript 02:13, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

List of religious leaders in 1741

This is not what it purports to be, (a list) but a single entry. I don't see any reason to have a list of religious leaders from each year in history, so I believe this page is unecessary. ÅrÐ£nT^†_∈ 02:59, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I think if we had an actual list like this, it would be great. Even if this was the only year we covered, it'd be good. Unfortunately this is rather weak. The originator of the article could at least have named the pope at the time. I suppose I'll go and do that. Marginal keep, just to encourage the creation of a real list. Everyking 08:19, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)

You make a point, but I think a page for every year is excessive. by century, or even by decade would constitute more of an actual list since religious leaders are often the same for many years. Perhaps a change to List of religious leaders in the 1700s or 1740s would be appropriate? Awaiting concensus. ÅrÐ£nT^†_∈ 08:34, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I agree, no need to make a list entry for every single year. I think one for the 1700s and so on with sections for each decade would suffice. Mgm|^(talk) 08:48, Jan 19, 2005 (UTC)

Yes, that might be better; perhaps start out with centuries and then move to individual articles on decades if the list really fills up. Everyking 08:49, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)

- - - - I think it should be formatted in decades, whether it is all the decades of the 1700s in one article, or an article on each decade, depends on how much information people are adding. Make sure to amend the related article Religious leaders by year. Average Earthman 13:01, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Keep. This page is part of a massive and ongoing project that parallels State leaders by year. See List of religious leaders in 1220, for a more standard entry. - SimonP 16:00, Jan 19, 2005 (UTC)

I was unaware of the project, and as long as the article is expanded I withdraw my original objection to the page. keep ÅrÐ£nT^†_∈ 23:45, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Keep. Maybe by century first and split later on ? Gtabary 17:47, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Keep. Let it grow. Rmhermen 17:51, Jan 19, 2005 (UTC)
Keep. Not isolated, but part of a project. Samaritan 20:44, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Weak Delete, cumbersome. If allowed this would set a precedent of allowing religious leaders for every year to be created and I dont think that is either practical nor necessary, even State leaders by year was a bad idea to begin with. What's wrong with simply having just a List of religious leaders? Unlike state leaders, religious leaders aren't in and out of power that often, so many years would be repetitive. Megan1967 23:56, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Keep now, but as nominated it was a delete. I've formatted it as specified by the wikiproject and removed Edwards, who shouldn't have been on the list. Now it's back to having a single name, but hopefully it will grow. This project has been languishing of late. -R. fiend 23:47, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Keep - part of a project. I suspect there are better places to discuss the merits of a project. --JuntungWu 01:23, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Strong keep. Extremely useful. Ambi 01:32, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Delete or Merge by different sort. I'll go against the crowd here and say theres no reason for something like this sorted by year. By decade, alright, but having one year out of the entire eighteenth century and it having only one entry seems pretty useless and the other pages by year are just as bare. I agree with Megan above, religious leaders tend to stick around for much longer periods. K1Bond007 07:52, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC)
Delete. This seems dumb. What is notable about the state of world-wide religion in 1741 that we need a list of the religious leaders in that particular year. Even dumber would be to add a few thousand articles to the Wikipedia with the list of religious leaders in each year. The list for Y would generally be nearly identical, if not actually identical, to Y-1, because religions don't change their leaders frequently. Anyway, why would anyone ever need/want to know who all the religious leaders in the world were in a particular year. Lists like this just make Wikipedia seem stupid, and diminish its authority. In one of Jorge Borges' stories, there is a hilarious list of "lists", including Objects that from a long way off look like flies. I'm expecting to see that as an article on Wikipedia any day now. --BM 13:43, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I've come to think it could be a good point of reference if one was doing research on religion, but yes, a list for every year does seem excessive. ÅrÐ£nT^†_∈ 22:50, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Keep. --JuntungWu 11:06, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Keep. Notice how the article has grown froma small start to a larger and more complete version? Articles in Wikipedia do that, provided they aren't deleted each time they start small. Bryan 22:35, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Keep, obviously. Neutrality^talk 22:36, Jan 22, 2005 (UTC)
Keep. At first blush, tracking religious or political leaders by year over a period of many centuries seems like vast overkill, but people have actually been obsessive-compulsive enough to do it pretty thoroughly for the heads of state/government, so why not for religious leaders as well? Dtobias 15:51, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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