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On 23 July 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to Haileybury (Hertfordshire). The result of the discussion was not moved.

Suggestion

It has been suggested that Kipling House be merged into this article or section. (Discuss)

The above still appears at the top of the Haileybury article, but I see the two have already been merged, although there is no discussion on this page! I would have supported keeping the Kipling House article. 194.72.162.199 01:00, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cyril Radcliffe

Is the Haileybury and New College, Oxford mentioned in [this link] the same place as this Haileybury ? Tintin Talk 16:43, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

=No=

No it isnt.

Thank you. Tintin (talk) 20:24, 11 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, which Haileybury is it? Bill Tegner 23:13, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There are other references on the Net of Cyril Radcliffe being a Haileyburian - however, none of these seem particularly reputable: [1] [2] Wasn't it a point of controversy that Attlee appointed members of his old School to various posts which they were otherwise unqualified?

--Chopz 16:43, 4 March 2007 (UTC

I belive that there is a need to greatly reduce the alumini section as most of the personalitys mentioned are not know to the public.If the scection countinues to be managed in this way then it will eventualy become a meaningless list of students.

Name

Is it formally "Haileybury and Imperial Service College", or "Haileybury College"? Was there a renaming at any point? Certainly the latter is most commonly used, but... Shimgray | talk | 10:28, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Ans: The full title of the school is Haileybury and Imperial Services College. The correct short title of the school is simply Haileybury. I remember the Master giving quite a speech about the incorrect use of Haileybury College one lists (Friday assembly when not in Chapel).

Harry Smith Old Haileyburian (left 2003) 82.39.169.145 23:22, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Charles Villiers

Villiers was born in 1802. How could he have been educated at Haileybury which was founded in 1862? Bill Tegner 23:15, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

He must have been at the East India College, founded 1805 --129.67.117.236 16:48, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Name again

The school is now officially called 'Haileybury' as seen on its website www.haileybury.com. It was once Haileybury and Imperial Service College, but that was changed round about the turn of the millennium.

I am going to leave this a week (for other comments, etc), and then rename. Mycroft (talk) 14:58, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

By no means an expert, but someone comments above that it's full name is still Haileybury and Imperial Services College, but Haileybury is used for short. The website doens't really address that question (in effect it's a brand name, perhaps?). Anyway, there's already a page at Haileybury (a diambiguation page basically), so a move isn't going to be entirely straightforward. David Underdown (talk) 15:10, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I saw the comment above by Harry Smith (who was a contemporary of mine) and believe he's slightly misremembering the school assembly in question, but that's neither here nor there. I have just spoken to the school who have stated that the name of the charity behind the school is Haileybury and Imperial Services College, but that the name of the school is indeed Haileybury. Obviously, a phone call is not a decent source, and with the disambiguation page in place, things would be really quite tricky. Thus, I'm in no rush to change things, and welcome any and all other comments - especially any sources that people might have. Mycroft (talk) 15:27, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

With regard to the disambiguation problem, I have reversed the issue. Previously, Haileybury Disambiguation redirected to Haileybury, which was the disambiguation page itself. Now Haileybury redirects to Haileybury Disambiguation, and the appropriate content has been transferred across. Thus, if we decide to change the name, there is no conflict, and we would just do a simple transfer. We would then just need to put a simple 'For other uses, etc etc' link at the top of the Haileybury page. As I said, though, am willing to take advice on this. Mycroft (talk) 15:48, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Re-assessment

This article has been expanded since it was last assessed and is now a B. The alumni would be best split into a separate article. More content should be added particularly about the curriculum and extra-curricular activities. Most importantly there is a lot of work needed on the referencing. I am upgrading the article to high importance based on the alumni and the history. Dahliarose (talk) 10:57, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Old Wykehamists, Old Haileyburians, etc. to become "Alumni of... "?

Please see the discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 February 10#Former pupils by school in the United Kingdom. Moonraker2 (talk) 14:21, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

History

At present the history is exclusively about the building. Can someone write more about the history of the institution, why it was founded, whether it was specifically to train civil servants, who the early masters were, what its constitution is, how the governing body is appointed etc? --Sir Myles na Gopaleen (the da) (talk) 09:48, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 23 July 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) ToadetteEdit (talk) 18:41, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Haileybury and Imperial Service College → Haileybury (Hertfordshire) – The school's official name is Haileybury College altho it is commonly known as just Haileybury. Haileybury and Imperial Service College is a previous name no longer used Southdevonian (talk) 18:17, 22 July 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). Southdevonian (talk) 11:26, 23 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. ASUKITE 15:39, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I have done some research on this. The school was named after the Haileybury estate, which was bought by its predecessor, the East India College, so we don't need "school" or "college" to distinguish it from the local town or village. The official name was originally Haileybury College, then Haileybury and Imperial Service College and Haileybury College again since 2023 (reported in the 2023 accounts). TSventon (talk) 12:21, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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I have tracked what the school is called in the Times digital archive.

The most recent year of the archive is 2019, with 11 mentions of the school: 9 Haileybury, 1 Haileybury College, 1 Haileybury and ISC (obit of someone who was at the school in 1950s).

Spot check on 5 articles in sequence in 2013: all Haileybury

Ditto 2003: all Haileybury

Ditto 1971: 4 Haileybury and 1 Haileybury College

Ditto 1961: 4 Haileybury and ISC and one Haileybury (obit)

So it would appear that the school dropped the use of "and ISC" during the 1960s, even if it remained in official documents. Southdevonian (talk) 13:31, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per both above. Johnbod (talk) 13:35, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe it should be Haileybury, Hertfordshire but indeed the logo uses just "Haileybury". Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:23, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment While the school seems to prefer the simple "Haileybury" on its website, I'd tend to like the current title on the basis of WP:NATURAL. Is there any reliable-source indication that "Haileybury and Imperial Service College" is no longer the actual name? 162 etc. (talk) 17:58, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

162 etc. the name of the charity is now "Haileybury College", check the Council’s Report on page 7 of the 2023 accounts at https://register-of-charities.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-search/-/charity-details/310013/accounts-and-annual-returns . It says The School has been in the process of seeking a new, updated, Supplemental Royal Charter. The Supplemental Charter was sealed on 7 September 2023 and changed the name of the charity to “Haileybury College”. As at the year-end however, the formal legal name of the charity was still Haileybury and Imperial Service College. Under the new Charter, the charity will continue to be known informally as “Haileybury”. TSventon (talk) 18:33, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do not support 'Haileybury (Hertfordshire)'. Indeed I prefer the current article title, reasoning as above. If a change has to be made the the simple 'Haileybury College' being the official name, should be used. Hjamesberglen (talk) 22:15, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hjamesberglen, can you explain why you prefer the current title? TSventon (talk) 22:23, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NATURAL as mentioned above. The current title is a long standing name which clearly distinguishes the school from the Australian counterpart.Hjamesberglen (talk) 22:44, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would say Australian school of the same name rather than counterpart. As far as I can see, the schools share a name but do not have any further connection. Southdevonian (talk) 13:02, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Hertfordshire and WikiProject Schools have been notified of this discussion. ASUKITE 15:39, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Haileybury (Hertfordshire). That and Haileybury, Hertfordshire look like article titles for a village or town. If this school is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for simply Haileybury then that should be the title. (I wouldn't base that on a logo alone, though.) If it's not, but is the primary topic for a school called Haileybury, then Haileybury College would work, per WP:NATURALDISAMBIGUATION. Otherwise, Haileybury (English public school) and Haileybury (school in Hertfordshire) could be possibilities. The current article title seems to be out of date. Ham II (talk) 16:06, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as proposed. Wouldn't object to Haileybury College. After all, Eton College is commonly just referred to as Eton, Harrow School as Harrow, Rugby School as Rugby, etc, etc. This is no different. Natural disambiguation is best here. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:27, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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