Talk:Succession to the Belgian throne

Sadly, Ashley Y has decided to take the less than clear term "cognatic primogeniture" around here, not respecting the need of the encyclopedia to use terms which have better consensus about its meaning. 213.243.176.92 17:57, 4 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

"Princess Imperial and Archduchess of Austria-Este, Princess Royal of Hungary and Bohemia" – do they really use these titles? Austria, Hungary and the Czech Rep (if that's what they meant by Bohemia) are republics and in Hungary all noble titles were abolished in 1945. She might as well call herself the "Princess of the United States, Australia and Ancient Egypt"... Alensha 14:06, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Incorrect line of succession?

I'm not overly familiar here, so I'll leave it to someone else, but at least two other articles on the Belgian Monarchy list Princess Elisabeth as next in line, "Princess Elisabeth, who will inherit the throne after her father, thanks to a 1991 act of succession which created full cognatic primogeniture, altering the order of succession from eldest son to eldest child."

Liastnir 13:34, 28 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand what you mean for "some scholar thinks" and "public thinks" about the succession of Prince Alexandre. Belgium has an official succession line established by Law, so it is not matter of study for scholars. The Law says that new line will be applied FIRST to the issue of King Albert II, which means, of course, it will be applied SECOND to other relatives. However, Prince Alexandre is not the 15th in line, because he is preceeded by the issue of his older half-sister Joséphine-Charlotte, who didn't renounce to her right of succession when she married Grand Duke Jean of Luxembourg because she hadn't at the time. And, about "public thinks", it's enough to remember how "public" was surprised by the succession of King Albert II, who officially was the first in line since many years. Royal successions are not made by public opinion or by magazines (which created the hoax of direct Philippe's succession to King Baudoin, which was never intended in Belgium). So, the issue of King Albert II is followed by the issue of his sister Joséphine-Charlotte, by Prince Alexandre, by Princess Marie-Christine and by Princess Marie-Esmeralda and her issue. After them the descendants of Princess Marie-Josè: Princess Maria Pia of Savoy and her issue, Prince Vittorio Emanuele of Savoy and his issue, Princess Maria Gabriella of Savoy and her issue and Princess Maria Beatrice of Savoy and her issue.

Emanuel

WRONG. It means that the salic law will only be abolished starting with the offspring of Albert II. As the salic law is only abolished for the desecendants of Albert II, all female descended offspring of Leopold I, II, III and of Albert I are not in the line of succesion, making Alexandre the only one not descended from Albert II in the succession. You need to read the Belgian Constitution more carefully and preferably in its own language.-- fdewaele, 31 December 2006, 12:40

I looked it up once more and found the relevant documents of the Belgian Chamber of Representatives with regard to this ammendment to the constitution. In it it is clearly stated that female descendants of Leopold I, II, Albert I and Leopold III are barred from the throne. Reason for this is that for one (or his or her descendants) to be in line for the throne, one must have married with the consent of the king. Females never received this consent because they simply weren't in line before 1991 and thus never asked for it. The marriage of Astrid in 1982 however is explicitly mentioned by the ammendment of the constitution as being deemed to have been granted consent.

Princes/Princesses who married without consent can be restored in the line of succession however by the King with the consent of both the Chamber and the Senate. until this date such a restoration has not occured. fdewaele, 9 February 2007, 13:10.

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