Talk:Breech birth

Turning the Baby to Avoid Breech Birth

Many of these methods look highly doubtful to me. No doubt some babies turn without intervention. So where is the evidence that these methods help turn the baby? --Henrygb 23:09, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

At least two will often work: maternal positioning and external cephalic version. Swimming might work, as it is pretty much the same as maternal positioning. The others... yeah, there are some real wackos in this world. AlbertCahalan 23:54, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

There is very little evidence that other than ECV and maternal positioning have any impact on breech presentation. Certainly homeopathy has no effect (as the substance is only water). And as for moxibustion! I'm inclined to remove these other supposed methods. --Maustrauser 10:09, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

But how does Swimming allow the baby to change positions before birth? It isn't explained in the article, and I suppose it'd add to the completeness to have that in there... Kareeser|^Talk! 01:13, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Swimming assists as it is simply gentle exercise that may help physically turn the baby. Mirasmus 02:20, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

I intend to remove the homeopathy and moxibustion links as a way of turning a breech baby owing to there being no scientific evidence that these work. Before I do so I would appreciate reading any comments. Mirasmus 02:59, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

There has been at least one study published in a peer-reviewed medical journal (JAMA) that suggests moxibustion may be effective at turning breech babies. Refer to Moxibustion for Correction of Breech Presentation A Randomized Controlled Trial. Francesco Cardini, MD ; Huang Weixin, MD. JAMA. 1998;280:1580-1584

Absolutely. Look up the Cochrane Database, easily accessible. Only ECV after 36 weeks is effective, although I confess I will occasionally turn one at 35 1/2 weeks.

evenness and pc

so i see this article chooses to use him/her a lot. normally, the english rule is him first, but i think in this case her should go first because that is the default gender of a baby. you can't accidentally be male, only accidentally not be male do to hormonal complications...seems like a silly thing to do, but maybe someone would agree with me before i do it?

The Rocket Master was born this way. RocketMaster 12:16, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

An intgresting point. However we are using English, and so the English conventions would be preferable. I good observation and certainly one that you should consider doing. JustAnMD 04:53, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I think the recent editing is too open ended on the issue of whether maternal postioning works. I do not think there would be any harm in quoting directly from the actual citation.

Clarification please

I have deleted this sentence which is unanatomical and unclear. If the author really wants it back, it should be rendered anatomical. Note: 'down' might be either inferior (as opposed to superior) or posterior (as opposed to anterior). The proposed mechanism seems to have been copied from a lay text book, and does not appear to be the statement of a experienced individual.

JustAnMD 02:27, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Spelling

The use of the diphthong in 'foetus' has been replaced with 'fetus' in English medical literature, even in England.

Familial

Since 1942 there has been a hypothesis that parents may transfer risk of breech delivery to offspring. doi:10.1136/bmj.39505.436539.BE establishes that the odds ratio for breech presentation is 2.2 if a parent (either mother or father) was a breech. JFW | T@lk 08:38, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Merge ECV here

I recommend merging External cephalic version here. ECV is used only to treat a threatened breech delivery. --Una Smith (talk) 23:08, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Breech Birth & Personality

I was a breech birth. Several years ago (before computers) I did a little medical research on long-term breech births and have speculated that the reasons one twin will have an opposite personality than the other is one twin is often/usually breech. I noticed in some twins I've known, one will be of the heart (spiritual) whereas the other will be mental (scientific). Some of the psychological complications I found associated with breech birth are schizophrenia, dyslexia, learning disabilities, violence. Raquel Baranow (talk) 17:34, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Human only?

Any animal born from a vagina can have a breech birth. Why is this article entirely specific to humans? Mnealon (talk) 04:29, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Because from an obstetric perspective, the problems with animal births are so different and varied as to not be mutually informative. Delivering a breech foal is different from a puppy stuck in the birth canal when some of the litter have been delivered and others haven't. Check out the insufficiencies of veterinary obstetrics, where complications of birth and delivery among domestic or zoo animals would be more informative for readers who looked up that topic. It would be worth a summary paragraph here at the end and a mention at the beginning about animals, but I don't see how all the problems with the current article can be addressed if we muck up the topic further by throwing animal births, in their infinite variety, into the mix. Just a drive-by comment from someone not involved with the article. Cynwolfe (talk) 15:39, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Does breech birth happen in other animal species too? 12.233.159.194 (talk) 18:55, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

First sentence is obscure.

The first sentence of this article: "A breech presentation is defined as the condition in which the baby is in longitudinal lie and the podalic pole presenting at the pelvic brim with the head occupying upper pole of uterus." - is a pretty poor start to this article, in my opinion. It may be a valid medical definition of a breech birth, but it's probably not comprehensible to most non-medically-trained people. It seems best to me for most Wikipedia articles to begin defining and describing things in terms that ordinary people can understand, and for technical details to be given later in the article, where those wanting more information (and able to understand it) can continue reading to.

I *think* the first sentence is simply saying that a breech birth is one where any part of the baby other than the head comes out first - rather close to what the third sentence is saying - but I'm not totally sure.

Perhaps the opening needs to be reorganized, and the third sentence could be worked into the first, and the first (if it does add extra information) could be given a bit later. But I don't feel I know enough about this topic to attempt this myself. M.J.E. (talk) 04:05, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Famous people born breech

• Billy Joel: Had double hip replacement two years ago. Joel attributes the need for the surgery to "probably being born with dysplasia." He explains that he was a breech baby and that forceps may have displaced his hips. "Billy Joel on not working, not giving up drinking and not caring what Elton John says about any of it," Interview by Andrew Goldman, New York Times Magazine, 26 May 2013, p. 34. Raquel Baranow (talk) 23:04, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
• Frank Zappa: Zappa, Barry Miles, Grove Press, 2004, Page 5. Raquel Baranow (talk) 18:53, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
• Jordan Brady: 'I Am Comic' Director Jordan Brady on Spit Takes and the Downside of Supportive Audiences, Interview. Raquel Baranow (talk) 19:19, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
• Tatum O'Neal: A Paper Life, Tatum O'Neal, HarperCollins, Oct 4, 2005, Page 14
• Becky Garrison: The New Atheist Crusaders and Their Unholy Grail: The Misguided Quest to Destroy Your Faith, Becky Garrison, Thomas Nelson Inc, Jan 1, 2008, Page 133.
• Wilhelm II, German Emperor: Wikipedia
• Frank Sinatra: Sinatra in Hollywood, Tom Santopietro, Macmillan, Nov 10, 2009, Page 12.
• Nero: Rome and Her Monuments: Essays on the City and Literature of Rome in Honor of Katherine A. Geffcken,Katherine A. Geffcken, Sheila Kathryn Dickison, Judith P. Hallett, Bolchazy-Carducci Publishers, 2000, Page 496
• Bret Michaels: His website, blog post, 15 April 2012
• Chesa Boudin: Son of imprisoned '60s radicals is named a Rhodes Scholar, Jim Ritter, Chicago Sun Times, December 9, 2002.
• David Shields: The Thing about Life Is That One Day You'll Be Dead, David Shields, Random House LLC, 2009, Page 4
• Jerry Lee Lewis: Allegedly said, "I was born feet first, and I've been jumpin' ever since."
• Pedro Zamora ref'd in the article.

I'd like to see maybe a Catagory for persons born breech or a List of people born breech . . . also how about a new section on famous persons born breech in this article? Raquel Baranow (talk) 22:58, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

So, I've gotta be a bit contrarian here, but why is this even relevant? It's hardly a rare or "exotic" condition (like situs inversus), nor one with significant social stigma (such that "coming out" would be meaningful). I can't help but see it as a pointless bit of medical trivia, about as relevant as which celebrities have flat feet. In a few cases, there may be some relevance, but not enough for a list on this page (as opposed to just linking here from the celebrity's page). HCA (talk) 22:10, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Good point. There are many articles about complications of breech birth -- that it may cause schizophrenia and learning disabilities. I plan to add these reports from medical journals. Knowing that famous people were born breech and were successful may be important for mothers and children. I found a report once (couldn't find it again that said many were genius.

There are similar lists for: List of people on the autistic spectrum, Asperger syndrome; People on the autistic spectrum Or this: People with Asperger syndrome Raquel Baranow (talk) 23:59, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

But shouldn't those people be listed under the symptom caused by breech birth, not the birth type itself? At the very least, it should be moved to a separate page "List of People Born Breech" to minimize page clutter. HCA (talk) 16:30, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I think you may be right about separate page (only because such a list seems kind of funny here and none of the other Lists I mentioned above are on the articles themselves) but this new section isn't creating much clutter (and this article is not as cluttered as the Asperger and Autism pages are). How about we wait a month or two to see how other readers (not necessarily editors) react?

In the meantime, I'd like to see all the statistics in that paragraph with all the percentages presented better, like maybe in a table or columns. I'm working on a new section regarding long term complications of persons born breech. I have many scientific articles, many were found with Google search of /"Breech birth" + schizophrenia or "learning disabilities"/ I also found many articles many years ago searching the hard-copy medline indexes (forget what they called them), at the medical school here in Tucson. Raquel Baranow (talk) 17:28, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Figure after first paragraph in section related to etiology of breech presentation

Dear Sir/Madam I would like to contribute to this section with Figure. Figure is showing incidence of presentation and lies from 10th gestation week until birth. Showing this Figure to readers will allow them better clarification of changes during gestation. I have permission from the publisher of this journal. Due to regulation of Wikipedia, I cannot post this Figure. username Sekulic1965 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sekulic1965 (talk • contribs) 09:14, 17 September 2014 (UTC)