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Thanks for letting me know - I'll give it a proper look over when I'm slightly less busy. Apologies if this is too basic, but I think that the Scandinavian 'school' should still be included in the main Activity theory article - as the work of Engeström, for example, is very much what people think about when they think of activity theory, as well as that of Vygotsky, Luria etc. But, like I said before, I'm still getting my head around activity theory - just got a book out from the library yesterday ;-). Cormaggio ^{is learning} 15:01, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

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Lev Vygotsky

Dear Dr. Yasnitsky, thanks for your attention to the article on Vygotsky on whose work you are obviously an expert. Nonetheless I have removed the section you inserted, because it was entirely based on your own work. It is generally frowned upon for scholars to cite their own work in articles, and in this case you basically declare a paradigm shift based on a number of recent articles by written by yourself. In doing this you give undue weight to a very recent viewpoint which untill now can not be shown to represent the majority of Vygotsky scholars. In order to not get ahead of the debate wikipedia would prefer to wait untill such a paradigm shift is well entrenched in the literature before we declare it in the article. Please see the policy WP:SELFCITE and WP:COI for an explanation of the policies regarding this issue. Your articles can of course be used as a source for the article, but they should be inserted in a neutral way, and preferably by someone else. ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 22:47, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Let's discuss it.--Yasya (talk) 18:27, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Good, idea. I've started a discussion on the talkpage, please don't reinsert the material before there is a consensus to do so.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 18:31, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

OK. Counter-sggestion: please do not erase the material before there is a consensus to do so. Also please consider multiple references to sources by a wide range number of authors other than the one mentioned above. Personally, I am fine with removing references to publications by this specific author if only it makes any sense. --Yasya (talk) 18:34, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

According to the policies of wikipedia challenged material is to be excluded untill a consensus is formed.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 18:43, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

It is hard to agree :). Spefically, my reason is: No rational explanation provided. Please address the following statement that can also be found on discussion page: the section is almost entirely based on very recent articles by A Yasnitsky and R Van der Veer -- Not correct, which is obvious to anybody willing to inspect the references to the sections in question, namely, 5 Criticisms of North American "Vygotskian" legacy & 6 Criticisms of available Vygotsky's texts. Please feel free to remove any or all publications by Dr. Yasnitsky if only it makes any sense.--Yasya (talk) 18:47, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Also I just want to make clear that I am noty trying to suggest that your scholarship is not important or relevant, I am not an expert on Vygotsky studies and therefore cannot be the judge of that, but I do want to suggest that it is not usually considered reasonable to publicly assess the merits of one's own scholarship.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 18:48, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

OK, here is what I would propose: I will revise this section and downgrade it to mere "criticisms of available Vygotsky's texts". Also, I will try to minimize references to the works of Yasnitsky wherever possible. Unfortunately, several of these came out in collaboration with some distinguished scholars of fairly high reputation, so it would be really undesirable to remove these. Does this look like a compromise solution?--Yasya (talk) 18:57, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

That seems reasonable to me.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 19:00, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. Also, you are certainly right: peacock must go. The whole thing already seems to look better I believe: feel free to check out recent changes.--Yasya (talk) 19:05, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

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Kharkov school of psychology

Hello. I came across you because I was pointed to the Lev Vygotsky article. On both that article and Kharkov school of psychology, you are editing with a conflict of interest, which, as explained in WP:COI, is not a good idea. Anyway, I am still thinking about whether to submit Kharkov school of psychology at WP:Articles for deletion, but for the moment, I've removed your additions of your own publications from it. As I say in my edit summary, feel free to add some of them back in (1) as sources (2) with inline citations (3) and making clear in the text that the source is someone who is affiliated with the school. Kind-but-a-bit-frustrated regards from PJvanMill (talk) 23:25, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Dear colleague PJvanMill, -- if you really consider adding references to own published work as a case of conflict of interests (!?), please feel free to keep it this way as it is now; I certainly would not argue. Having removed all references to my work in 'Kharkov school' entry also please feel free to submit it for deletion right away since it would make absolutely no sense since then, given the state of contemporary scholarship on this matter. Best regards--Yasya (talk) 23:40, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

The conflict of interest is not so much in including the inclusion of your work as in editing on that article to begin with, given that you yourself are a part of this school of thought. Including your own works on a list of "selected publications" is self-promotion. The reason I also deleted the sources is that they didn't appear to be actually used, in which case they would also be self-promotion. Of course, if there are actually statements in the article text that are supported by your publications, you should add citations, while making it clear that the source is published by someone involved. Kind regards from PJvanMill (talk) 00:03, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Quote: "given that you yourself are a part of this school of thought" in Kharkov -- very questionable statement, and I strongly doubt any support to it can be found; if by any chance interested in my bio (and affiliation with any school of thought, if any), please feel free to check out my UofT (Toronto) academic profile, here: http://individual.utoronto.ca/yasnitsky/ . Anyway, like I said, I do not mind and would hate to argue.-- Good luck!--Yasya (talk) 00:14, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Well, you listed your own works as publications of the school, didn't you? If not part of the Kharkov school, you are someone who has published in the Kharkov school. PJvanMill (talk) 11:19, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

RE: "you are someone who has published in the Kharkov school". -- This is a very unclear and highly problematic statement. What does it mean: to publish IN the school? -- This is not a request for clarification, I am just stating the obvious: the utter vagueness of the claim. Then, RE: "you listed your own works as publications of the school". -- Here, we have two mistakes. First, logical. Confession does not count as a proof, equally in logical and legal sense. In Stalinist Russia or in North Korea, perhaps, but not in the civilized world. Second, factual. The references were listed under the general heading "Selected publications OF and ABOUT the school". The sources by certain Dr. Yasnitsky (an established researcher from Canada) were meant as the publications and authoritative sources ABOUT the school (in Ukraine), obviously. Yet, it is virtually impossible to argue with you, furthermore, I fully agree with you and by all means invite you to realize your initiative and proceed with the nomination of this entry for deletion, with my full endorsement to act. Please consider making a move at WP:Articles for deletion. Good luck!--Yasya (talk) 13:00, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

I see, I had misunderstood. They were there as publications about the school. Thanks for clarifying. I suppose that makes it not even a conflict of interest. It is still self-promotion, though. Please don't say that it is virtually impossible to argue with me just because you had to clarify something before I understood.

Given that the works you cited there are about and not from the school, it would be perfectly acceptable to use them as inline citations in the way one would use any other source (though not in excess), if you think it will make it a better article. Sorry for my misunderstanding. Kind regards from PJvanMill (talk) 13:52, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

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