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Outdated statistics on employment, possibly others

Hey, I noticed that the statistic on unemployment was outdated, citing the statistics for 2013 when the ATF posted 2017 statistics. This article doesn't look like it is frequently updated, so it may need some basics in that regard. The annual budget is also out of date. The activities section also seems pretty skewed and could use a more neutral point of view, as has been noted since 2014.

Matthewdrago (talk) 03:04, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nice job. Maybe you could add the citation.Cassell04 (talk) 21:23, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Date Discrepancy

Under the "Directors" section, Rex Davis is listed as ATF Director from 1970 to 1978, but the introductory sentence directly above states the bureau was formed in 1972. How can Davis be the director of a bureau before it exists? Is this a typographical error? If so, which date is wrong? The bureau's formation date or Davis's term? If someone with knowledge or expertise on the matter could adjust the date to resolve the inconsistency or insert a brief explanation as to why the dates do not match, it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. 66.91.36.8 (talk) 23:00, 26 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind. I found the relevant information in the "History" section and inserted a parenthetical explanation in the "Directors" section to clear up the confusion.

On a separate, but relatively trivial note, in the "Directors" section, when listing the terms of each ATF Director, why are some dates (the later ones) given with the month, day, and year, but others (the earlier ones) are only given in years (term start and end dates)? Wouldn't it be better to be consistent and give the dates in the same way for all director terms? Is it that there is a lack of source information, records, or documentation for the earlier directors' terms and records were better kept or at least more specific with later directors' terms? Because the list only goes as far back as the 1970s, I would expect the information (months and days for the earlier directors' terms) wouldn't be exceptionally difficult to find (as compared to say trying to verify the birth, death, or reign dates for King Tut). If anyone is up to the task, editing the earlier dates to include months and days so as to be consistent with the later dates, I think, would improve the article (albeit marginally). Just my opinion. Thank you.

I would do it myself but I'm not great at edits expanding the content of the article and citing the sources. I usually get a message telling me I did something wrong, so I just prefer to leave it to the experts. 66.91.36.8 (talk) 22:00, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Organizational Issue

In the 'Ruby Ridge Siege controversy' section, the second paragraph (starting with "On May 1, 1992, 50 ATF agents were summoned...") refers to events unrelated to Ruby Ridge. This paragraph would be more suited for placement under the previous section, '1972–2000'. 2601:147:4500:62F0:3DFD:20A2:751A:D38B (talk) 15:38, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Lavoie Finicum's murder, Malenowski's execution, bump stock ban, pistol brace ban, and forced reset trigger indictments. 2600:6C5D:4F00:FA64:C038:265B:E7B0:C7EF (talk) 04:33, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]