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On 16 March 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Doctor Who: The Curse of Fatal Death to The Curse of Fatal Death. The result of the discussion was moved.

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Should this really be in the category of Doctor Who serials, considering it was a one-off and not part of the official televised serial list? Ditto with Dimensions in Time. --khaosworks 04:20, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)

They are both Doctor Who and they are both serials, and that's good enough for me. (Granted, neither is part of the original series, but where else can we put them?) --Paul A 07:16, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

In the same general Doctor Who category, basically. -khaosworks 07:20, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Terserus

Isn't there more than one mention of the planet Terserus in the series? That should have a note, I think (but I don't remember where Terserus was mentioned, help!)...

Added note. --khaosworks 14:44, May 11, 2005 (UTC)

I think Terserus is also mentioned in the EDA "Legacy of the Daleks". It was Susan who stranded the Master there. But, if the Curse of Fatal Death is canon (heh), maybe he fell into a sewer on Terserus... and that's why he looks so icky in the Deadly Assassin (just kidding) --Travlr23 11:43, 12 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Terserus was also mention in the last frame of the comic strip 'A Matter of Life and Death' in DWM 250.

Three Ninth Doctors

I reworded the note about the "three Ninth Doctors" mentioned in The Gallifrey Chronicles, because I was concerned that speculation about connecting the three Ninth Doctors with the three versions of the Eighth Doctor (audios, novels and comics) was a bit too speculative. If there's a real indication of that in the novel that I've forgotten, please feel free to restore the notion — but if it's just a bit of fan speculation, we shouldn't have it here (unless it's been published in a reliable source like Doctor Who Magazine or something — in which case we should have a citation). —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 08:27, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well the thing about the novel is that it doesn't in any way identify the Doctors. It's literally just one line where Marnal flatly asserts that there are three ninth Doctors. I think it needs a proviso saying that no positive identification is given for any of the mentioned Doctors. CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 15:55, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Proviso added, but a nice quote by the author in which he explains the line, if such a quote exists, would be preferable, however. CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 16:00, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Music

Does anyone notice a similar resemblance to the music from Logopolis in this story? Xdt (talk · contribs)

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Richard E Grant

At Richard E Grant, he's called the "The Conceited Doctor". Here, it's the "Quite Handsome Doctor". So, which is it??--Jeffro77 (talk) 02:47, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Coincidence, trivia, or what?

The article currently includes these li'l snippets:

All the actors playing the Doctor in the special had been previously rumoured to have been up for the regular role at some point or another, including Lumley. Atkinson was one of many actors considered for the role of the Eighth Doctor in the 1996 Doctor Who television movie.^{[citation needed]}
As the Twelfth (Handsome) Doctor dies, he is described post-mortem by Emma as being "too nice", "too brave", "too kind" and "far, far too silly." She then compares him to "Father Christmas", "The Wizard of Oz" and "Scooby Doo" (the former two being characters to whom First Doctor actor William Hartnell famously compared the role).^{[citation needed]}

I can just about see the relevance of the first one, if it can be referenced. It's still sort of a "coincidence of charity", unless it can be proved that the actors agreed to the performance as a way of trying to angle for a part in a future revival or of finally playing the part in the only way available to them at the time. Eh, it still may relevant enough as a "spooky coincidence". But the second one—I dunno. If it was a deliberate thing done by Moffat, where he was literally quoting Hartnell, it's significant. Otherwise, it's just coincidence, isn't it? CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 15:53, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Avaliable via the Internet"

I removed the following from the "Broadcast and Releases" section:

The Curse of Fatal Death was also available worldwide via the Internet in four episodes.

Although some Internet users video-captured the special and placed it up for unauthorized download in the small video formats feasible at the time, it was not officially webcast in any way. The fact isn't worth noting here. Rob T Firefly (talk) 19:32, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It was available at the Comic Relief website - which is how I first saw it... Etron81 (talk) 16:30, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Followed by?

An anonymous editor added "Rose" in the "followed by" field in the infobox. I reverted it, but I suppose it's worth discussing. Is the "followed by" field for "next Doctor Who story aired on television", or is it for "next television story in the ongoing narrative of Doctor Who"? Because if it's the former, I suppose we should put Doctor Who (1996 film) in the "preceded by" film, and put this (as well as "Rose") in the "followed by" field for the TV movie, the way we do for the Children in Need specials, or the way that Survival does for Dimensions in Time. Is it too "fannish" to consider the fact that when the TV series returned, it followed on from the TV movie, and not this spoof (despite Moffat's involvement)? Is continuity too unencyclopedic a criterion? Discuss. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 06:20, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Rose" got added at some point without any further discussion. Does anyone have any thoughts about this? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 21:09, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Synopsis needs an edit

The synopsis is more than that, it's the whole plot with lots of detail. Perhaps someone could do a proper synopsis without retelling the whole story?

This should be done in respect of the authors (go see the thing) and the readers (point them to the story, don't present it here.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Craigwbrown (talk • contribs) 10:43, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Title

We have the precedent of Doctor Who and the Silurians, but I'm wondering if The Curse of Fatal Death would fit better per WP:COMMONNAME? This is not a requested move. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Old Naval Rooftops (talk • contribs) 21:08, 23 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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From Doctor Who: "Doctor Who: Jodie Whittaker is to replace Peter Capaldi in the Time Lord regeneration game". The Telegraph. 16 July 2017. Retrieved 16 July 2017.
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"Never Cruel Or Cowardly"

The phrase "Never Cruel Or Cowardly" is very likely to have appeared in a Paul Cornell novel (no reference is given but it's plausible) but I believe the original is from Terrance Dicks either in an internal style guide for writers or in the book "The Making of Doctor Who" in the early-mid 1970s. I do not have an authoritative reference to hand, however. Rob Burbidge (talk) 23:48, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct. the following is from the Target edition of The Making of Doctor Who, page 23 (emphasis is mine):

"The Doctor believes in good and fights evil. Though often caught up in violent situations, he is a man of peace. He is never cruel or cowardly. In fact, to put it simply, the Doctor is a hero. These days there aren't so many of them around ..."

The earlier Piccolo edition does not include this phrase, but does have the following on page 8:

"Put in simpler terms, the Doctor always cares about people; he believes in good and fights evil. He is never cruel, and he never carries a gun or other weapon. He is often in battles, but he hates war."

Etron81 (talk) 23:58, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 16 March 2024

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The result of the move request was: moved. Moved as proposed. BD2412 T 16:07, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Doctor Who: The Curse of Fatal Death → The Curse of Fatal Death – Per the article, the episode was known as "Doctor Who and the Curse of Fatal Death" around its original broadcast. As far as I can tell, no on-screen title was used during the Comic Relief 1999 evening. The VHS release then used the standardised format of displaying the series logo and "The Curse of Fatal Death" underneath, as shown in the cover image in the article, and according to the article the home release uses the simplified title on-screen also. There doesn't seem to be any reason why the series title is included in this iteration of the title for the article. "Doctor Who and the Curse of Fatal Death" may be an acceptable alternative, but I suggest the simplified version due to the lack of an on-screen broadcast title and the official home release that uses it, in conjunction with WP:CONCISE. Move requires overwriting of the present redirect. U-Mos (talk) 11:34, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The onscreen title at original broadcast in four parts did have the "and the" format - screenshot is included here - I do agree that the common name is now just "The Curse of Fatal Death" due to the home video release and subsequent coverage (including official uploads to YouTube) Etron81 (talk) 14:18, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I hadn't managed to establish that. I'm still in favour of the simplified title. U-Mos (talk) 15:21, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support move. With one exception, "Doctor Who" isn't typically treated as part of the title. O.N.R. ^(talk) 21:13, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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