Talk:South of Market, San Francisco

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Should the picture with the product placement be in here?

I added it because it is representative of the slightly seedy business that characterize the area - I actually photographed a bunch of them but this one came out the best. Pretzelpaws 23:05, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

A quick Google search reviewed unanimous usage of SOMA or SoMa, never SoMA. I have always heard SOuth of MArket, not SOuth of Market Area. I changed it, but am awaiting a contradictory source.

Why see also union square?

What special relationship does union square have to soma? More so than any other nearby neighborhood? Mike Linksvayer 06:21, 4 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I just took it out.Zyxwv99 (talk) 14:47, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It was probably there because the City Shopping Center / Westfield Mall could be considered part of the Union Square shopping district (in the broadest sense), i.e., the shopping district forms an arc around the base of Nob Hill, making a quarter of a circle from Powell St. to California St., and is much wider at Powell St., thus including a bit of the south side of Market St.Zyxwv99 (talk) 23:30, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Who is Jason?

"Jason also lives there." Is the last line in the Demographics area of the page. I re-read the section and am still struggling to grasp what that could possibly mean, other than somebody editing their friends name in. I'll wait a few months for an explanation. Isikari 10:15, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It appears that a user with far more experience on wikipedia then me saw my edit and got rid of the Jason line. Thanks to Paul for going ahead and doing that, I just haven't made enough edits to feel comfortable erasing stuff yet. Isikari 7:06, 13 March 2008

Demographics?

Why doesn't the demographics section have any info on demographic info? Toddst1 (talk) 06:16, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Where is SOMA?

I disagree about the definition of where SOMA (which is how everyone writes it) is; Cesar Chavez is definitely not one of the borders, it's too far south. If you go south enough you start going into Mission, Potrero Hill, and Dog Patch (depending which direction). Townsend and Market are correct, but there is no mention of a Northeast border which would make SOMA run into South Beach. Sorry the SF Chronicle is wrong, perhaps they should look at map! My authority on the subject, I live in SOMA. (Lime124 (talk) 15:46, 3 July 2010 (UTC))[reply]

My take on the boundaries of SOMA are 3rd & Market -> follow Market to -> South Van Ness, follow to -> Central Freeway /US101, follow to 16th Street, Follow to 3rd Street, and back to Market. --67.101.112.78 (talk) 00:17, 4 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No Map?

The description is: Its boundaries are Market Street to the northwest, San Francisco Bay to the northeast, Mission Creek to the southeast, and Division Street, 13th Street and U.S. Route 101 (Central Freeway) to the southwest.

Isn't this a perfect example of: a picture is worth a thousand words? (or worth a lot of words)... one simple map with shaded area can tell much more than a description in English.

Population Wrong

The population figures cited only account for roughly half the area (as defined in this article) of South of Market. Either the boundaries are too wide in this article or the population statistics are too small. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Usaar33 (talk • contribs) 01:38, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Demographics

Is it me or did they leave out Black people from this section? WillieHowardCO67 (talk) 17:34, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct; the section is old and misleading, and the citation link does not work, so I deleted the whole thing. Any editor who wants to develop a new section can certainly do so. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 05:02, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Citation on Embarcadero Migration

This section "The waterfront redevelopment of the Embarcadero in the 1950s pushed a new population into this area in the 1960s, the incipient gay community, and the leather community in particular." does not appear in the Mick Sinclair text as it is cited, and reading through the text I cannot find any citation for the Embarcadero as a former cite of gay community. MadeiraDarling (talk) 02:20, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good catch, can confirm that this isn't mentioned on p.220 of the cited book. This citation was added in 2014 by User:Deisenbe, apparently only intended to support the "since it was a warehouse area that was largely deserted at night" part.

The claim about the waterfront redevelopment was added in 2007 by User:Dpmath, in the first sentence of an entire paragraph where only the last sentence carried a citation to a different source, namely the "Miracle Mile" book. But possibly it was intended to cover the waterfront claim too (I haven't checked that citation myself). Regards, HaeB (talk) 04:18, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]