Talk:Lists of albums

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• See Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/List for suggestions of new album articles to write.

Captions

What does everyone think of the captions? Tuf-Kat

Good stuff. So are albums listed alphabetically or chronologically? And I was gonna add those albums to the list, honest :) Jimregan

Alphabetical by artist name, and then album title. Thanks for your work on quotes and such, as it was real easy to add dozens from your user contributions list. I'm gonna go add some years now, but (as you probably noticed) I deleted the captions because it's too difficult to be NPOV and brief enough. If you disagree, feel free to add them back (preferably not tonight, or you and I will get edit conflicts up the wazoo). Tuf-Kat

No problem. It's 5.15am here, so I won't be up much longer. As for the NPOV issue, couldn't there be a short disclaimer to the effect of "The descriptions here are meant to reflect the common consensus of opinion of fans of that genre"? Jimregan

Oh yeah, is there a list of comedy albums? I have Rant In E-Minor done, I've got at least 2 more on my todo list, and then there's stuff like Tenacious D and Spinal Tap (also todo) that cross the line.

On comedy albums, I'd say include Tenacious D and Spinal Tap, who are bands that play music and happen to have humorous lyrics, but not Bill Hicks, Denis Leary, Margaret Cho and others who released LPs of material that was entirely or primarily non-musical. Obviously, there can be no clear line separating the two, so no rule can adequately provide a guideline. It's something that should be worked out on the talk page for individual cases. Someone could make a case for including all albums, musical or otherwise, but I would disagree. Tuf-Kat

On captions, maybe I was trying to be too brief -- I suppose nothing's wrong with a sentence or two, so let's give it another try. Tuf-Kat

Re: comedy, I was thinking that about Spinal Tap and "The D". I've got another 2 Bill Hicks albums in the pipeline, an Adam Sandler and a Denis Leary. Maybe more. My todo list is on my user page anyways (though my main todo is to learn to be less terse :). As for captions, just saying, most of the captions you had seemed pretty neutral, just the ones that said "pioneering...", which could easily be modded to "widely considered to be a pioneering.." or just "considered..." (like I said, I'm pretty terse :) Jimregan

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Did you mean to revert many additions when you added the Green River album? Tuf-Kat

No. Whoops. I have to learn when to just go to bed. Jimregan

Alphabetical list of artists

If we're listing artists alphabetically, why do we have "Neil Young" under N instead of "Young, Neil" under Y? —LarryGilbert 09:40, 2004 Mar 13 (UTC)

See my long unresponded-to comment at the top of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music standards. There's too much blurriness in the names of bands -- while it would be possible to come up with some set of standards, it would be easier IMO to just go with the first character. The current list, for example, includes Alice Cooper (Billion Dollar Babies - by a band named Alice Cooper, IIRC, and so therefore presumably under a and not c, though a later album would be under c) and some awkward ones (Parsons, Alan Project?). Tuf-Kat 17:57, Mar 13, 2004 (UTC)

This is something that's going to have to be discussed and written into the style guide. While things remain ambiguious at present there is one rule I've always worked with. Album, band, and song titles beginning with "A " or "The " should be catalogued according to the second word in the title eg. "The Rolling Stones" is catalogued under "R" not "T" for "The" or "A Saucerful of Secrets" should be catalogued under "S" for "Saucerful" not "A". "A" and "The" are still written but ignored when cataloging. Iam 05:56, Mar 14, 2004 (UTC)

Oh, I agree. I'm not talking about A or The -- I just mean alphabetizing under first name instead of last name. Tuf-Kat 09:29, Mar 14, 2004 (UTC)

Personally I would much rather see artists filed under their surnames. This is, after all, how all music stores display their artists and how every collector I know (including myself) files their records. Also, it makes more sense (to me) to have Bob and Ziggy, or Frank and Dweezil next to each other, than it does Messrs Jones and Petty, or Messrs Jagger and Hucknell :-)

I'm happy to take on the task of re-ordering the page, but only if we get some consensus on this.

If you would like to propose a standard for dealing with names like Alice Cooper and Alan Parsons Project, go ahead. I don't really care, as long as it is easy to find what I'm looking for. Tuf-Kat 19:12, Mar 23, 2004 (UTC)

Most music encylopaedias that I've seen list Alice Cooper under C, and Alan Parsons Project under P. Iam 06:23, Mar 24, 2004 (UTC)

PS Anyone got any thoughts on my recent comment added at: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Music_standards?--Bwmodular 09:22, 23 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Article naming conventions for sublist pages

I see a naming consistency issue with the way the sublist pages have been named. For list of albums, the sub pages are using an article name ending with "(x)"; whereas the List of songs by name use ": x" as well as List of people by name. I think it would be best if the sublist pages for albums followed the same naming format. RedWolf 21:47, Mar 27, 2004 (UTC)

Fine with me. If I knew that was the standard, I'd have done it that way. Tuf-Kat 23:25, Mar 27, 2004 (UTC)

Speaking of standards I notice when it comes to albums with the same name, there is no consistency on Wikipedia. For example, if two (fictious) albums are called Alpha, should it be Alpha (<Artist name> album) or should it be Alpha (<year of release> album). This needs to be clarified and album titles changed to a set standard. I prefer the Alpha (<Artist name> album) form, because in the event of two artists releasing albums with the same name in the same year, the year release format becomes problematic. Iam 01:52, Apr 15, 2004 (UTC)

Yes, I've noticed the issue as well but I prefer the year just because it is less problematic as far as getting the links correct. It's far easier to remember a simple convention of (YYYY album) versus (some artist name) as someone will spell the artist's name wrong, use just the last name or a combination of the last and first name. Using the year is a less problematic in this regard. However, I realize that there is a potential problem with also having albums of the same name released in the same year but I haven't run across a case yet myself but I'm sure there are some out there. RedWolf 02:35, Apr 15, 2004 (UTC)

Albums Exclusion from 1.0

I note in Jimbo's mock up page of Wikipedia 1.0, musical album articles are to be excluded. Is all our work in vain? Leanne 00:58, 11 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Unless you're working solely to see album articles in print, no... That's not really the primary purpose of Wikipedia -- we're here to build an encyclopedia. Some may choose to do what they want with all or part of it. Look of it as an invitation to make so many album articles so well-written that somebody will want to package them up, exclude the rest of the 'pedia and sell them. Tuf-Kat 08:00, Apr 11, 2004 (UTC)

Article title

Shouldn't this article be named "Lists of albums" now that the content has been split into separate pages? - dcljr 08:35, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

List by Artists, what about compilations?

I just added an album to List by Artist, and it was a Christmas compilation by multiple artists. I just listed the artist as "Christmas Compilation", but it may be better to have something like "Compilations" or "Multiple artists", on the same level as the A-Z.

lunaverse 17:24, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)

List them under V for Various artists. - 17:52, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC) Lee (talk)

Why not add a "Various Artists" entry to template:albumlist? --Phil | Talk 08:10, Oct 8, 2004 (UTC)

VfD debate

For the deletion debate related to this article, see Talk:List of albums/delete -- Graham ☺ | Talk 00:44, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

List of eponymous albums

Eponymous albums is listed twice. I'd go and edit it myself, but you never know what people want done with these articles. --69.157.7.124 07:24, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

List of albums (*): album descriptions

I noticed that at List of albums (A), List of albums (B), and List of albums (C) (but not the rest), Krash removed the little blurbs accompanying some albums. A lot of the time, these are not notable/needed sentences, as Krash stated in his/her edit summary "these albums have their own articles". But a few of them seem useful. For example, there was a blurb next to Aretha Franklin - I Never Loved a Man the Way I Love You - 1967 - "bestselling, critically-acclaimed album that includes Franklin's signature song, "Respect"". I think this kind of thing should be kept, but if most others agree that it shouldn't, so be it. So, thoughts? --Qirex 09:55, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

I was (and still am) hellbent on doing all of them but my eyelids were getting heavy last night. The descriptions are/were – for the most part – either badly POV or not terribly important. These albums have their own articles is really the best and only argument I can offer, and I feel very strongly about it. Lists fast become unmanageable if everyone gets to put in their own little quip about their favorite album. If you allow one description then you must allow them all. And then the lists become cluttered and not useful. I'm trying to imagine when/how/why someone might be consulting these lists and how occurances of trivial information about each album would help what they're doing rather then make the lists more difficult to skim. A good, I think, example would be to compare this version and this version; I simply believe the second one looks like a more inviting list to read. -- Krash 15:10, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, honestly, my opinion about this is not really that strong, and I do agree with you to an extent. But it seems to me that if these descriptions are removed, then there isn't a great need for these pages, as it could be done using categories. The existance of these descriptions was one of the few reasons the pages survided AfD, see archive Talk:List of albums/delete. I would be interested to know your thoughts on this. --Qirex 02:18, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Only two of the "keep" voters mentioned the descriptions as reason to keep the lists. And one "keep" voter expressed my point that the descriptions should be merged into the respective articles. Technically, it survived the AfD because no consensus was reached. Quite frankly I dislike most lists. But this is not my place to re-list it and I honestly don't think these lists are worthy of deletion. It's only my hope to:

• make the lists easier to maintain (for editors)
• make the lists easier to use (for readers)
• avoid the tendency to make the lists a repository of trivia

-- Krash 04:58, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. I'll drop my half-hearted opposition. I did understand your position from the start, I think; I guess I wanted to see if anyone else had input, and also to just express my thoughts incase I raised any issues you hadn't thought of. Cheers, Qirex 14:27, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Name change?

I just created List of lists of albums as a redirect for this page and I think this page should be moved there as it is a more accurate title. Thoughts?--Hraefen 22:34, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes and no. Moving the list of topics from this main page to List of lists of albums would be accurate, and would be a good companion for List of lists of songs. However, the actual list that is here (List of albums (A), List of albums (B), etc) should remain here as they are correctly doing what this title says, they're listing the albums. Satan's Rubber Duck 23:24, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Dashs and Year formatting?

Shouldn't the dashes be – instead of -? And also, why isn't the date listed in parenthesis instead of seperated by another dash?

• Mary Prankster - Blue Skies Over Dundalk - 1998

vs.

• Mary Prankster – Blue Skies Over Dundalk (1998)

Joltman 17:52, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps. At least one pages has the ndashes - List of albums (F) - so if you want to go through and change them then do so, but be careful that you don't break any wikilinks. As for the years, AFAIK it's always been set out that way in this list. If you want to go through and change them, then be bold and do so, but it'll be a lot of work. Satan's Rubber Duck 21:04, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Just thought I would mention that I went ahead and changed them all as I said above, in this format:

• Artist – Album (Year)

I think it looks better now, and I think it's more consistent with other wikipedia articles Joltman 17:35, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh dammit... EPs

Hah, well I only just discovered that there's a List of EPs page. Now, as I've been going through (so far from Punct-D) I've been adding in bands' EPs because I see them as just small albums... whoops. Just to let you know, and I'll stop that one now. Satan's Rubber Duck 17:32, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

• Just a note to people who might be interested that List of EPs is current AFDed. Halo 14:23, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Haha, great, guess I'll start adding EPs into this list again then. Satan's Rubber Duck 11:12, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

OK, as of O, I'm going to start adding in EPs to the list as well, with EP being placed within the date bracket. Please comment whether you think this is appropriate or not. Satan's Rubber Duck 20:50, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

By year

THere are lists of albums by artists, but what about lists of albums by year? Just wondering? ONEder Boy (talk) 20:35, 16 January 2008 (UTC)