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Dalton to Boyd as part of team and NFL lore

I know the Bills didn't make the most of their return to the playoffs in 2017, but just reaching the playoffs after what was then the longest drought in major professional sports at the time should be notable. It's in this vein that perhaps a page should be devoted to the Bengals-Ravens game and the Andy Dalton to Tyler Boyd touchdown reception because it's such a big part of the Bills ending their drought. -RomeW (talk) 07:53, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Logo question

While watching the game with the Steelers Sunday, I noticed that some (but not all) Bills helmets have narrow triangular additions (pointing up) at the rear end of the red bar on the logo. What is the significance of these?152.216.7.5 (talk) 16:11, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Acronym Joke

Due to their 0-4 Super Bowl record, there's a joke floating around many sports forums that the name "Bills" is a clever acronym for "Boy I Love Losing Super Bowls." Not sure if that's worth mentioning, obviously not in the main part of the article but most Wiki articles like to include little tidbits like that as an FYI. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.49.90.145 (talk) 15:09, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Barbershop Quartet

There's also a barbershop quartet called The Buffalo Bills (barbershop quartet). I'm not sure the football team should be displaced by a disambiguation page, but I'd like to include a link to the quartet. Any suggestions as to where would be appropriate? -- Ventura 04:33, 2004 Jun 14 (UTC)

I added a fairly compact disambig header at the top, as such is the thing to do when there aren't enough major alternate meanings for a separate {disambiguation) page. -- Hadal 23:18, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Thank you! Ventura 20:43, 2004 Aug 25 (UTC)

"Not to be forgiven"?

Eep. Somebody just linked Scott Norwood under the inauspicious title "Not to be forgiven". Normally I'd assume vandalism, but the IP-only user is making some good changes in other edits. I'm not sure if this is something that requires a non-fan's disinterest or a fan's understanding of the culture. -- Ventura 07:36, 2005 Jan 9 (UTC)

Not to be forgiven? Norwood was given an ovation from Buffalo fans after Super Bowl XXV. He was forgiven, mostly because the fans realized the Bills did so much more things wrong in that game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.49.90.145 (talk • contribs)

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There is an orphan article 0 for 4 Curse which needs to be connected with another article and it relates to either the Vikings and/or the Bills. If someone knows how to work that into the curses section of this article. If not then perhaps someone should mark it for deletion. --Randolph 18:03, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

It's possible.

The Vikings did lose in all four of their Super Bowl appearances.

On the other hand, The Bills are the only team to lose four consecutive Super Bowl appearances, so I think the stigma attached to their record is a bit harder to escape.

Ruthfulbarbarity 06:17, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

JP Losman a "star?"

How is that correct? He has yet to start a pro game. I'm considering deleting that; tell me why I'm wrong. (A few of the others listed are stretches too--I'm looking at you, Aaron Schobel.) GeeZee 00:52, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Improvement drive

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Main Page Does Not Answer the Most Obvious Question

We all know what a Buffalo is. That is the city that hosts the Bills. What is a Bill????

"Bill" has a mile-long definition in the dictionary. Which one applies to this team... one of these?

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bill

8. A cutting instrument, with hook-shaped point, and fitted with a handle; -- used in pruning, etc.; a billhook. When short, called a hand bill, when long, a hedge bill.

9. (Weapon) A weapon of infantry, in the 14th and 15th centuries. A common form of bill consisted of a broad, heavy, double-edged, hook-shaped blade, having a short pike at the back and another at the top, and attached to the end of a long staff.

Or are they simply a checkmark, like Nike's "Swoosh", like that thing going through the helmet? --grubbmeister 21:26, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

I always assumed it was a reference to the famous cowboy Buffalo Bill. Is that connection not made in the article? —HorsePunchKid→龜 2005-11-29 03:49:43Z

Acoording to the Hall of Fsame website, the Bills were the name of the city's old AAFC team from the 1940s. When there was a contest to name the new AFL team in 1959, the winning entry was the Buffalo Bills, with the description being that the team was like a gang just like the cowboy legend.

    I heard that the AAFC team was named after a barber shop quartet named the Buffalo Bills. Which really means that the team was named after the quartet.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.243.13.207 (talk) 21:46, 2 July 2008 (UTC) 

This is a glaring omission. It has to be in the article. Has to. [1] 169.137.151.146 19:33, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

2005 Season

The description of the 2005 season is quite long, should be shortened. It wasn't a memorable enough season for a desciption like that.

2005's being the most recent season, I don't think it's really a problem (right now). I do think that section needs to be cleaned up near the beginning of training camp 2006. ~July? Also, as more time passes, the perspective of the 2005 season will change and fall more in line with the rest of the article. D-Rock (Yell at D-Rock) 04:26, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree that we should hold off for the time being to gain greater perspective, but eventually it will have to be shortened down to a paragraph or two. TheNewMinistry 07:59, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

ESPN commercial

Is the new ESPN commercial("without sports, what would we do" series of ads) that includes the Bills relevant to this article? Obviously a commercial featuring a professional sports team isn't noteworthy to that team, but it seems to capture a common theme in the organization since the 90's (1 step forward, 2 steps back) in that it features a holding penalty after they miraculously get a fumble off of a kneel. Since I'm a newbie, I'd rather ask first then write instead of having people clean up my errors -VetteDude 22:22, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

• Even if you add it, it might get reverted anyway, because, as you said, "Obviously a commercial featuring a professional sports team isn't noteworthy to that team". Zzyzx11 (Talk) 22:25, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Not a Bills fan but....

Should this be included somewhere in the article Whoa, Canada? Bills eye home game in Toronto, espn.com). It also mentions briefly the team moving to Toronto. SashaCall ^(Sign!)/_(Talk!) 00:26, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

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Firsts

The way the Buffalo Bills firsts currently is doesn't look correct. The automatic conversions don't seem to work. Take this one for an example:

First 400 yard (400 m) Passing Game: Joe Ferguson, 419 yards (383 m), vs. Miami Dolphins, 9 October, 1983

400 yards is not 400 metres as it says at the beginning of the line, but then later in the line it says that 419 yards is 383 metres.

I have never worked with the automatic conversions between units and don't know how to fix it. Jons63 16:20, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Active in NFL

Is there some need for this information? It doesn't seem to add anything meaningful to the article. — Bdb484 (talk) 22:25, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Underlying Reason For Helmet Color Change From White To Red In 1984

The article states:

"In 1984, the helmet's background color was changed from white to red, reportedly in part to distinguish them more readily from three of their division rivals at that time, the Indianapolis Colts, the Miami Dolphins, and the New England Patriots, who all also wore white helmets at that point."

This is a correct, but vague description of WHY the helmet color was actually changed. It was determined that one of the reasons that Quarterback Joe Ferguson was throwing interceptions was that in pressure situations, he would throw downfield at a white helmet, without identifying the player as one who was actually on his team.

Perhaps some mention should be made of this?

Osirisascending (talk) 01:36, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Sure, if you have a reliable source that corroborates that reasoning. Powers ^T 12:44, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Rogers Centre as a "home field"

2 IP editors have changed the infobox by deleting the following text from the "Home fields" section:

• Rogers Centre (2008–present) (1 game/year)

No edit summary or other explanation was provided for either deletion. It seems to me that it is correct to include the Rogers Centre, since the team is currently committed to play a series of home games there. I would appreciate any opinions. --Arxiloxos (talk) 00:30, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Future of the Bill?

I'd like to know, or have a section, and the future of the team. For example, any discussions on relocation, new stadium in Buffalo, Rochester, or somewhere in that regoin of New York state, and who will buy the team after Ralph Wilson. If something happens to the Bills, this site should have the latest info.--74.60.232.185 (talk) 00:21, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Uniforms?!

OK, so here's an article on the Buffalo Bills. Nothing on their founding, nothing on fan traditions, nothing on the team's history on the main page but a link. But 5 frigging paragraphs about the uniforms, in every minute detail? Serious imbalance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.66.103.91 (talk) 01:38, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

New uniforms

Alright I went ahead and blacked out the Bills' helmet and uniforms since they will be unveiling new ones soon. I left the logo intact since the team did say that the charging buffalo logo will remain. It should stay like this until the new uniforms come out...whenever that might be. Jgera5 (talk) 17:22, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

You are confusing readers, who might misinterpret it as a regular image placeholder. Such a placeholder implicitly says that no Wikipedian has ever bothered to upload any Bills helmet before, and therefore one is currently requested. As a result, somebody could possibly upload a new image with the "old" helmet back up under a different file name. It is better to wait until the change becomes official and the new design is unveiled. That is what we did when the Chargers changed their helmets from blue to white back in 2007. Thanks. Zzyzx11 (talk) 04:58, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I knew about the blank "photo not available" template for the uniforms. There is talk that the Bills are going back to white helmets full-time, but nothing is confirmed. The only known fact right now is that the Bills will be keeping the "charging buffalo" logo as opposed to bringing back the "standing buffalo" logo full-time or introducing an all-new logo. The uniform itself is rumored to be based off of the 1974-1983 uniform design, but again, no official confirmation from the team. Jgera5 (talk) 01:52, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

I reverted it back to their current uni's. Yes, they are changing to new uni's and yes, I have seen them. But until they are officially announced, their "current" uniforms and the only ones. Chances are their 1st round pick will be olding up thier "current" uniform anyways and the Bills may hold of unveiling their new ones until June.

It anyone else has seen their new uni's, please respect the NFL and the Buffalo Bills and DO NOT talk or publish the uniforms until they are officially announced. Thank you.

Johnny "Seoul" Factor (talk) 19:50, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Notable Players

This section seems like it could be deleted. With the exception of Cornelius Bennett all of the other players are either under the Wall of Fame list or Unofficially Retired Numbers sections. Eric Ando (talk) 21:01, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it should have been removed in January when it was added by an IP editor. I've removed it. Powers ^T 14:42, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Playoff section

The playoffs section really needs to be sorted out here. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 03:46, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Playoffs? Don't talk about -- playoffs?! You kidding me?! Playoffs?! I just hope we can win a game! Another game! Powers ^T 01:25, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

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Roster section

Someone needs to drastically fix the roster section. For example, there are no unrestricted free agents on the roster. By the very definition of what an unrestricted free agent IS, it's a player WITHOUT a team. If they are signed to a team, at most they are a restricted free agent. So all those players need to be moved into their correct positions on the roster chart. 67.253.250.154 (talk) 06:00, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

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DeAndre Hopkins

Someone changed Terry and Kim to DeAndre... Dukensteinwooden (talk) 00:40, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Good article

Why are all the AFC East teams except us good articles? This is just an excuse for Wikipedia's lengthy history of bias against new and mediocre users and small places that aren't well known or are failures. I want this to be nominated for a good article or I'll do it myself.Mewe-Mewe. UwU (talk) 16:59, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Sorry - I just saw this after completing the review. I'm glad you nominated it. The article just needs more work before it is ready to go through a review. Any editor can get in there and edit the article so that it meets the GA criteria. No one has done that important work yet, but I don't think we can say it's a matter of bias per se. Larry Hockett (Talk) 04:04, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Mewe-Mewe. UwU (talk · contribs) 16:01, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

The article doesn't look too bad, I mean I just had to do this since the fish, riggers, and planes had this, so Buffalo, onto you.Mewe-Mewe. UwU (talk) 16:01, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello Mewe-Mewe. UwU. As the GA nominator, it would be inappropriate for you to also serve as the reviewer, but I don’t mind reviewing this entry. Larry Hockett (Talk) 16:26, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

When we evaluate an article for GA status, we look at several criteria and, based on those, we provide feedback to the nominator (or to anyone else who wants to help work on the article). The process for going through the feedback and getting the article into shape is designed to take about seven days. There can be exceptions to the seven-day guideline, but generally we are looking to see whether the article can be brought up to GA standards within that amount of time.

I think there is a lot of good information here, but there are also some problems that are going to require a significant amount of work to address. When an entry is a long way from meeting one of the GA criteria, it is sometimes best to close the nomination and allow editors to work on the entry at their own pace. The idea is that the entry can be renominated once the bigger issues are sorted out.

While I am closing this nomination, I want to provide some feedback that can be used to prepare for another nomination.

Right now, the main problems I see are with the first and second GA criteria (well-written and verifiable with no original research).

• Writing: The article is pretty easily understandable, but the writing uses sports jargon and informal language quite a bit. Obviously we are going to use a lot of sports terminology (which wikilinks can help the reader to understand), but jargon is different. Example: The word "drought" is used four times; that's okay language for a sports magazine or an ESPN broadcast, but for an encyclopedia we would use more direct language (the team had not appeared in a playoff game in ________ years). This is one example, but it happens throughout the article. If you would like help with the writing, you can put in a request a WP:GOCE and they will edit your article to help the language flow smoothly.

• Verifiability: The article has a number of passages that do not appear to be supported by references. Rules about citations on WP can be tricky, but a lot of the uncited material involves contentious statements about living people or statements that are likely to be challenged. As one example from the History section, the article says the team was "pushed to the brink of failure"; this seems like a subjective statement likely to be challenged, but there is no reference cited in that paragraph at all. Other examples: "generally mediocre", "numerous failed attempts" - these statements should be sourced so that they don't just reflect editors' opinions.

• Increasing the number of citations may help to cut down on factual inaccuracies. For example, as far as I can tell, Jack Kemp was out of football less than a year (1/17/70 to 1/3/71) before getting to Congress, not two years.

• There is also the issue of whether the cited sources actually support the material in the article. I did a spot check of the references and had some concerns. For example, in the Supporters section, there is a mention of Bills fans being treated differently by outsiders, but the cited source doesn't really support that statement. Another example: When you talk about many fans replacing the Dolphins with the Patriots as a rival to the Bills, there are two sources - one just seems to be a random web survey with only 172 responses and the other one mentions the opinion of someone at ESPN but not really anything about many fans (or any fans). In general, I would focus on trying to provide appropriate references in each passage - and making sure that the article reflects what the existing references say.

Other things that may improve this entry:

• The section about logos and uniforms is too long and it looks disorganized. See WP:PROSELINE.
• What is the Ralph C. Wilson Jr. Distinguished Service Award?
• Some passages may not have been updated in a bit. Ex: The legal battle between the Bills and Jills (2017). Preseason games "will continue to air" (2016).
• Can we work the material from "In popular culture" into the "Notable players" section? Those players are notable, just more notable for non-football activities.

I think there is a lot of work here as far as going through each passage and tightening up the referencing and the language, but again, I think there is a good start toward a future GA nomination. Closing for now. Larry Hockett (Talk) 03:56, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Cleaning up "Other Rivalries" section

Hi y'all,

Looks like some other NFL teams' pages are getting their "rivals" sections cleaned up so I figured we could clean this page up as well.

Should we keep the Cleveland Browns and Jacksonville Jaguars on this list? As Frank Anchor mentioned on the Browns' page, the Browns really only had a rivalry with the AAFC Bills, and the current teams haven't really had many competitive moments with the "rivalry" being mostly friendly in nature with two ugly, ugly games. The two teams have also played just 23 times or so. If no one opposes, I'll take this one out.

The Jaguars rivalry has also completely died out since Doug Marrone and Jalen Ramsey left Jacksonville.

--WuTang94 (talk) 20:13, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

No issue removing the Browns for much of the reasons the Bills were removed as rivals on the Browns' page. While I am personally not invested in Bills football, I really have never seen the Bills and Jags as being rivals. Sure a former Bills coach and player moved to Jacksonville and they met in the playoffs once. If that is criteria for a "rivalry" then there could be a page for practically every pair of NFL teams Frank Anchor^Talk 04:09, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

I guess I'll go ahead and remove the paragraph on the Browns rivalry then. As for the Jaguars, maybe I'll reduce that paragraph to a trivial mention in the intro paragraph.--WuTang94 (talk) 03:42, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2021

BEST TEAM IN NFL

Bamiller17 (talk) 14:06, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Not done: What specific changes are you asking to be made? --My Pants Metal (talk) 14:10, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Reduced circulation

• Number 32 had been withdrawn from circulation, but not retired, after O. J. Simpson.

After Simpson what? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 51.9.119.245 (talk) 07:08, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Jacksonville Jaguars rivalry

I know that the Marrone led Jaguars had bad blood with the Bills, but that rivalry was 2 games and was over pretty quickly. Do the Jaguars really deserve a rivalry section? I don't think the fanbase has a problem specifically with the Jaguars anymore than any other team, nor do I think the players still have bad blood against the Jaguars. Scu ba (talk) 00:01, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

I agree that the rivalry was short-lived and is not thought of as one today. The text of the section seems to agree.

Even if it should be kept, it needs to be updated to include their 2023 game. Rocfan275 (talk) 13:56, 14 November 2023 (UTC)